Interview with Nick Bryant on the Michael Ray Dresser Show — December 9, 2009

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Michael Ray Dresser: Nick, hi, welcome to the show.

Nick Bryant: Hi Michael, how ya doing?

M: Good, thank you so much for being here, Nick, I want to read a quick synopsis of what we are going to deal with, so I want to make sure we lay a base here. This is an expose’ of corporate corruption and government cover ups. This account of a nationwide child trafficking and pedophilia ring in the United States tells a sordid tale of corruption in high places. The scandal originally surfaced during an investigation into Omaha Nebraska's failed Franklin Federal Credit Union and took the author beyond the midwest and ultimately to Washington DC, implicating businessmen, senators, major media corporations, the CIA, and even the venerable Boys Town organization. The extensively researched report includes first hand interviews, with key witnesses and explores a controversy that has received scant media attention. Nick, I guess the big question is, why the cover-up? Is there so much money involved that there are people that are powerful enough to hold it down?

N: Absolutely Michael. This cover-up was orchestrated at the highest levels of government and involved state police in Nebraska, the FBI, and also the Secret Service. And I know that sounds kind of mind-boggling to think that government law enforcement, federal law enforcement would be involved in the cover-up of a pedophile network, but unfortunately that is the case.

M: Now when we talk about the problem itself, it is so large from what you are talking about it, almost sounds as if you hit the public with it at one time we would have to be wearing tin foil so the rays don't get us. I'm sure that you've got that kind of a problem going in to. It is so massive, so in your face, and so horrific that it's almost too hard to conceive.

N: I had a very difficult time…

M: Sure…

N: …with this story when I started to look into it, I was very incredulous. I'm always incredulous of far-reaching conspiracies, that's just my nature.

M: Sure…

N: And, but I do have a very strong advocacy for children, and I started looking into this and I came across a lot of very sordid facts and ultimately was able to glean, there was actually a grand jury that was used to cover this up. There was a former New York State supreme court justice that said a special prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. And, because a special prosecutor basically chooses evidence which is shown to the grand jurors, and I've been able to glean thousands of pages that were sealed in that grand jury to just show how perfidious and corrupt that grand jury was, and how it did cover up this nationwide pedophile network.

M: Nick, bottom line, we are talking about child sex-trafficking, people making money from it, people abusing children, and you got government that is hiding this. I'm not a, I've been on the air 27, 28 years now, so I'm not into conspiracy theory. I'm not into the rest, you hear what I'm saying. But when you come down to something like this, when you come down to something this basic, yet you've got the information and the back-up information to validate what you are talking about, I have to sit back and say, where is it that you're being blocked, why isn't this all over the newspaper?

N: There's a number of reasons for that, in addition to being a full court press by federal law enforcement. A lot of time, media takes it's cue from law enforcement, and if law enforcement says that there's nothing there, the media will report that. A lot of investigative journalism has gone by the way side in recent years, and I do think that a number of media outlets that reported that there was not a pedophile network that took their cue from state and federal government, were actually duped into believing that there wasn't a pedophile network, but I actually do believe that there were other media outlets that definitely took a proactive course in covering up the pedophile network.

M: And because you've got child sex-trafficking and pedophilia operations here in America with pimps funding the, you know, no shortage of clients amongst the country's rich and very powerful. So I guess when it really comes down to it, money talks.

N: Well, the thing about it is, here you've got the FBI, and the Secret Service proactively covering up a nationwide pedophile network. And, I mean, they flew kids all around the country and I've got their flight receipts. I've found the kids,  I've gotten the kids to talk, I've gotten other people that were involved in the pedophile network to talk. A lot of people that were involved in this pedophile network died under very mysterious circumstances. It's been very difficult to get people to even talk about talking. 

M: You bring up an interesting point, let me ask you this, has your life been threatened? I mean, I would be careful walking out the door, knowing what you are up against here.

N: My life was threatened, I've traveled 40,000 miles on this story and I've been to Nebraska 3 times, er, actually I've been to Nebraska 13 times, and I've been down the eastern seaboard twice, and then I spent some more time in Washington DC,  but the first time I was out in Nebraska, my life was threatened. Now I have had additional harassments since then. My car has been pulled over and ripped apart by law enforcement and I've certainly been the recipient of strange phone calls over the years. So yes, there has been heat on me.  I've put together a bullet-proof article, heavily corroborated, and I shopped it around to every major media magazine and outlet in New York, and no one would touch it. I mean no one would touch it, and I understand it's a very explosive story and a lot of people didn't want to stick their neck out, but, on the other hand we are talking about the abuse of children...

M: Sure…

N: And so, I was a little disillusioned about that, because some of these editors I'd worked with before and I knew, and they knew that I wasn't a lunatic, because , you know, I don't have any problems understanding. If you just take a look at this story on face value, it would be very easy to dismiss as some kind of lunatic fringe paranoia. But, over the years I've collected thousands and thousands of documents. The book will be so heavily corroborated that I think it will be bullet-proof. There might be, you know, individuals here and there that might try to sue me, but I do think that the book will definitely prove without a doubt that this pedophile network existed, and this pedophile network was covered up. And, there's one facet of this pedophile network, they flew the kids to Washington DC and there was a house in Washington DC where these pedophile parties went down, that was wired for audio and visual and a I've linked a lot of prominent people that went to these parties and if they did engage in any kind of illicit sex or drugs, their behavior was definitely recorded at this house. I mean, I've got heavy corroboration on that.

M: Okay, but did you turn it over to authorities, and were you blocked there?

N I have had very little help with most law enforcement. There have been a couple of people in the federal government law enforcement and then there was an individual in the NYPD who came across this, and they were very helpful to me because, they knew that this went down and they, you know, it was kind of anathema to them, and they did their best to help me out, and they provided me with some very powerful information.

M: So who do you go with... okay, so the police give you information, and obviously the information is good, but it's like anything else, it's like knowledge, knowledge in and of itself doesn't do anybody any good, it's the application of it that gets things stimulated and allows you to move forward.  So I guess the real question is is who can you go to that will take a physical step forward to get something done about this because if everything you say is 100% spot on, this is horrendous.

N: Well its, its horrific, and when you read my book you will see that this was orchestrated, this was a confluence of the church, the state, and also the media to cover up the most horrific of crimes, child abuse. And, as bizarre as it sounds, there was a confluence of those three powerful entities to cover this up.  And I know it sounds shocking, and I know it sounds explosive and that's why I have spent over six years of my life, you know, piecing it together, following bread crumbs.  Um, I've left no stone unturned.  I mean, I've really, this story has taken me into some very sordid nooks and crannies, and certainly probably the darkest recesses of the human condition.  And, TrineDay is going to publish the book and we're going to circulate it, and then people can draw their own opinions on, you know, whether or not I've delivered on the story.

M: You know, one of the things that has got me taking a step backwards, is Boys Town.  You know I go back and remember Spencer Tracy in BoysTown, I mean that was innocence personified.

N: Yeah, that was one of the, uh Boys Town was one of the real difficult things for me, I had always viewed Boys Town as a utopia for troubled children. But, the corruption that I've uncovered at Boys Town, is quite horrific, and I've also been able to interview former Boys Town students who were part, who say that they were part of the sexual network, and were flown around the country.  And I have a tendency to believe them, because their stories are very similar, and then they've been corroborated by other victims who I've talked to. So, I've got 4 Boys Town kids that talk about this network.

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M: Welcome back, I'm Michael Ray, you're listening to Dresser after Dark. Nick Bryant with us, author of The Franklin Scandal, The Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse, and Betrayal... Nick we can find you at www.franklinscandal.com. Nick, let me ask you this, where can we go with this thing, I mean, obviously you get information but you've got to be able to do something with the information.

N: Well, at this point, we're gonna get the book out and disseminate it to various media outlets and the way that the book is put together, like I said it's pretty much bulletproof, and this book shows that there was collusion within the government and within the media to cover this up, and and I think it goes back to the blackmail in Washington DC. That there was a house in Washington DC that was wired for audio and visual where a lot of these pedophile parties took place and I think that a number of affluent businessmen and politicians are compromised. And, um, and I think that once Americans [understands], I mean the approval rating of the United States congress right now is 12%, I mean it's obvious that, uh, the vast majority of Americans think that the congress is not acting at all in the benefit of the American people, and I think that this book will kind of show why. That our politicians, that there's another check and balance system that has been opaque to us, that there is this blackmail that's going on.  And I'm not just talking about little boys and little girls, I mean it can be young men in their 20's...

M: Sure..

N: Or young women in their 20's. This particular crew that flew the kids around, I mean, if you wanted a little boy, they'd get you a little boy. If you wanted a little girl, they'd get you a little girl.  If you wanted a young man in his 20's or late teens they would provide you with that..whatever you wanted, they would provide you with it.  And then, and then there would be, pictures that would follow.

M: Pictures? I think the interesting point about the pictures is that, that's evidence, why would anybody want pictures? I mean, that's validation, that's verification that you did it.

N: Well, uh, the people that would want to have leverage on the politicians...

M: Okay, alright, I got it.

N: That partook of the honey-trap, those are the people that want to have the pictures.  And there are pictures.  I've made 2 stabs at getting pictures, and  one was kind of perilous, and, uh, one just didn't work out. So I mean that was the one thing in this investigation. That I've really, really, assiduously tried to come by pictures and I was just never, never able to.

M: Yeah, by the way, I think one of the things that's scary is the US Dept. of Justice and the FBI involved in something like this. 

N: Um, I nailed them. In my book, they are nailed. The FBI in the midwest was the point man for the cover up, and on the Washington DC side of things, it was the Secret Service. And then the US attorney for the District of Columbia and also the US attorney for the District of Nebraska played an integral role in the cover up.  And there's one of the girls who was abused, who had started getting abused when she was 13. She refused to recant. The FBI subjected these victims, who were turned onto drugs and molested at a very young age. They had minimal self-esteem.

M: Sure…

N: If any self-esteem at all. And the FBI came down on these victims, but there was one kid that refused to recant.  She said she was abused and she knew that she was abused, and she wasn't going to recant that she was abused, and I've, I've found considerable corroboration that she was abused, and she was ultimately put in prison on trumped-up perjury charges for 9-15 years, was her sentence.

M: Nick we're just about running out of time, now the book will be out when?

N: The book will be out in March. It's on Amazon right now, The Franklin Scandal, and, we're accepting pre-orders at this point, and if your listeners wanted to get an inside line, they could certainly pre-order it at this point, and that would be helpful to um, us, and your readers would be the first people to have a stab at the book.

M: Wonderful, Nick we're outta time, it's www.franklinscandal.com  Nick Bryant, thank you so much for joining us.

N: Okay, thank you, Michael.